Friends of Lauren Spierer took to Twitter soon after the 20-year old student was reported missing, directing anyone with information to call the phone numbers of two friends.
Amanda Roude, from Chappaqua, NY, a friend and housemate of Spierer’s put out the word on Twitter as early 7:33 p.m. on June 3, the day Spierer went missing. Roude directed calls to the phone number of another friend, Hadar Tamir:
Blair Wallach, another of Spierer’s friends, who was already home in New Jersey, followed with her own Tweet, asking if anyone had information, to call Tamir:
Taylor Valentine, a friend who lives nearby in downtown Bloomington, joined the Twitter call for help, Re-Tweeting to a larger circle of friends, including Becca Lefkowitz and Ilana Porter. This time another friend’s phone number is added:
John An, who says Lauren is his best friend, joined-in the next day, as the seriousness of the situation was setting in:
And Ms. Valentine shared her emotions with Mr. An:
On Saturday, David Rohn, a person of interest in the case, was calling for help in the search for Lauren.
TonyGatto.com could not find any Tweets from Tamir during this time period, but she popped-up with this on Monday, June 6:
Like this:
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Does HT tweet a lot? If so, it’s weird she wouldn’t tweet about Lauren. If she doesn’t tweet alot then it’s NBD. I have both twitter and Facebook profiles and I use FB far more than Twitter especially when talking to friends.
Is this TG article suggesting something? It seems she gave an account to police and reporters, and I’m sure BPD verified her alibi for that night.
Not sure what to make of your post, Tony.
Hadar’s comments and tweets always sound so strange. Not what I would expect to hear from someone in her position. I can’t imagine that she would be involved, that seems too unlikely. But the comments are so strange.
Miss you always” ???? What is that about?
Sounds like a girly comment if you ask me…not far off from something I would say to my friends. I urge everyone to remember that all people handle stress differently. In a situation where the unknown looms over everyones head, especially if this is a living experience they have never experienced…give’m a break.
Liz, Girls have one thing in common, we are bent to the emotional side. We cry. We have a maternal mechanism built in to our being. These girls are smiling, doing cameos for the media. I don’t know of any female friends, daughters, siblings, cousins or colleagues who would not be absolutely devastated as their “BFF” missing. I’m not saying women can’t be strong…but strong does not make one devoid of an emotional response. Jealousy is an evil foe…and I smell it all the way over to the Lone Star!
Given that Lauren’s disappearance had already been reported, I’m a little surprised that the above friends’ tweets didn’t urge anyone who might find Lauren to alert the authorities and/or get her to a hospital.
I’m not questioning their intentions, I’m just not sure that why, in a missing-person case, student friends would think they should be the first people to be contacted.
Its a tweet…..short and sweet
While most likely not intentional, Hadar’s last tweet sounds very ominous. Tony, you’ve done a fine job, you’re a first rate journalist trying to find the truth. Keep it up.
Amen! Tony, if this was my child I would hope that I had a pit bull such as you on the trail of this collegiate nightmare. I found HT’s interview very odd when she said they need to move “outside of Bloomington”. What experience does she have to make a comment like that? Why would she want the investigation moved out of the immediate area? Why did she go to class when JW contacted her concerned about Lauren and wanting a room key? So many questions.
I have to agree with Jon. Totally think her comments have been odd & think I am almost positive I saw an interview clip with her shortly after Lauren disappeared where she talked about her in the past tense. I thought “that was weird!” I’ll go back & do a search to make sure I am correct about it being Hadar…
Ed,
I think I remember this interview and thinking the same thing.
Yep. I saw that interview too. I thought it was strange. Her whole demeanor was strange. I can’t imagine that she would be involved though.
I remember seeing that interview – I thought to myself “I hope the police are interviewing her!” Her demeanor is something I have not forgotten and found her body language, eye contact, and rhetoric very weird. On the other hand, all of her poses with the photojournalists (smirks, smiles, and such) have been inappropriate as well – The FB site even has her as the email contact (or at least on one of the pages) – which I also questioned – but then I thought: she’s young and inexperienced – emotionally immature popped into my mind…..
I agree.i think her comments have been strange and she was the one who spoke to Rosenbaum about the 4:15AM phone call and didnt even put anything up on twitter till three days later?
Sounds like this case is running out of steam, folks. I have to be honest though…why is everyone making a big deal bout the polygraph tests? What questions are being asked that require a polygraph test – I doubt the cops are coming right out and asking “did you kill Lauren” or “did you see her OD”. I just don’t get why within days of her being missing, all these kids were giving DNA samples and taking polygraph tests. DNA for what? Also, TG – somewhere it was posted that the Spierer’s hired a team of PI’s. Have you heard anything on this front? And what about the dude that says Lauren was in his cab? Any truth there? Maybe she was trying to buy drugs – hence why she was still walking around at 4:30AM. The call to Rohn was a.) an attempt to get more Yay, or b.) “dude, something bad happened and I need your help.”
Way too many conspiracies out there.
Let’s see what’s missing:
1.) The cops did it – all Bloomington cops are involved with drug dealing
2.) She OD’d and 1 or more guys disposed of her body
3.) She was picked up by a stranger, and….
4.) She ran away
5.) Her boyfriend in a jealous rage killed her
6.) David Rohn’s roommate met her to do a deal, and things got a little out of control, and he killed her.
7.) She was dropped off in the woods by AEP as a prank and told to find her way back.
8.) Her roommate and JW were having an affair and Lauren offed herself in a lake.
9.) Someone she knew saw her at 3:38 and slung her over his shoulder and took her.
10.) The dude with the facebook rantings about how Lauren was in his cab knows exactly where she is. Drug lair off campus.
Please add any additional possibilities I am missing.
I see it in two major categories:
1)She left JR’s pretty much as he described
2)She did not leave JR’s the way he described
All theories can be presented in either of those categories. If we could just know for sure whether 1) or 2) occurred, it would make a huge difference, because one or the other had to have happened.
To me JR is the pivotal point in this investigation because it does come down to those two possibilities.
Well, case closed, then. JR never saw Lauren turn right on College. Either she was at 11th & College & got carried off at 3:38 or he watched her go down the alley at 4:30. He’s lying & it’s unequivocally demonstrable.
Another possiblilty is something like this happened….
http://www.statesman.com/news/local/missing-womans-body-found-in-ventilation-system-police-1566142.html
Still means she either did or did not leave JR’s as g says.
A June 8 Fox News video, http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/search-in-indiana-for-missing-student-from-westchester-20110607, shows interviews with some of the friends including HT.
That is an interesting quote from HT, “…it just went too far this time.” What did she mean by that?
What was that in reference to?
There is an accompanying video to the above link in which HT, in a telephone interview, says, “She is just a fun and smart girl who loves hanging out and partying, it just went too far this time.”
From the Fox Video, 6/8: “She is just a fun and smart girl who loves hanging out and partying. Unfortunately, it just went too far this time. I just think she was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Bloomington is normally a really safe area but when you’re walking around alone at 1:30 in the morning even though our apartment is only 3 blocks away from our friend’s house she was at, anything can happen at that time. It’s dark. You never know.” She then describes how Jay watched Lauren walk out.
Well, it did go too far this time. That the parents, the police, the media and everyone was searching for at the time of the interview is certainly too far. Lauren did definitely go too far that night. HT seems to just talk off the top of her head and probably didn’t realize how insensitive that sounded particularly to her loved ones who were tor up already. But yes, Lauren went too far this time. Went way, way too far. It probably cost her her life.
Blaming the victim is exactly what sociopaths do in every situation. It literally never occurs to them not to. Remember, this complicit bitch forced Lauren out in the street without shoes at 3 am when she was “hanging out and partying” too hard. Lauren should have called the cops at the mere suggestion.
I think BPD scared all her friends early so they clammed up and hired lawyers instaed of forthcoming. Now they are not talking. My theory is She went to JR and may be passed out and JR called DR for help and together disposed her and her roommate knows it.
The ones who lawyered up were in situations where it is advisable they do so. They were with a young woman who disappeared. That she was a girl all alone with a bunch of guys that night is problematic in terms of possibilities, and if they could afford it, they should get lawyers so they do not say anything that could get them in trouble. The suspicion is that they were doing all kinds of illegal drug activities that night and some of them may have been dealing. They may have had to admit to doing some criminal things that night, so, yes, those party of interest were right to get lawyers. I don’t think anyone else but those guys got lawyers.
The problem with your theory is that the cell phones clearly show that DR did not answer his phone. Also DR lives in Smallwood and the videos do not show him leaving the building and getting his car during the critical time. JR’s car was not available that morning. There is not one shred of evidence that this happened. JR’s problem is that though there is no proof that he did anything to Lauren, there is also no proof that he did not.
I think the Spierers are disappointed that no one has gone to the police with any information. Only the ones that the police sought since they were with LS, were interviewed. But, the police have been interviewing those who know the ones who are persons of interest, and it appears that no relevant information was found. No one has anything to report. Who is generally awake at 4:30 AM anyways? If you think about it, the only ones likely to have any information are those who were directly involved, and why would they come forward when they spent a lot of time, effort and thought into keeping what they did and their involvement from being discovered?
The boyfriend called them. The roommate and best friend certainly spoke to them. The other persons of interest have probably been told to stay away from the Spierers and vice versa. There has been a noticeable silence on part of the family about this boyfriend and other kids who have been part of Lauren’s life for years and maybe through generations (JR and Lauren’s grandparents know each other). The police have probably dictated this silence.
It seems to me that the Spierers suspect that there were a bunch of kids together, perhaps drinking and doing drugs and Lauren ODed, and they all colluded to hide the body. They are hoping that someone in such a scene comes and admits it. All of their reassurances and pleas point to that picture. The roommates and friends that talked to them along with the info the police gave them probably points to this being a possible situation. But no one has come and admitted to any such thing.
a- We do not know for a fact that 4:15 call to DR was not answered
b- Videos don’t show DR movement — We don’t know because we do not know what is on 99 percent of the video.
There was a statement that the call was not answered because DR was asleep. I’m sure the police have checked that out along with any other calls made to and from DR and JR’s phones.
The videos during the critical period from Smallwood have been scrutinized. I would assume that anyone who left the building has been noted and attempts made to identify them, but someone like DR most certainly would have been checked.
WE don’t know, but the police have that information to check and use to corroborate those statements.
I personally think that the videos are being depended upon too much and that they are not 100% reliable, but they are a valuable tool. A sighting of DR on the video , leaving the building would definitely be a something of interest, whereas a lack thereof would not be an iron clad alibi but is at least consistent with his (or his lawyer’s ) statement saying that he was asleep in his place at the time of the phone call and no mention being made of his slipping out that early morning.
I like your comments. Seems like you have a lot of information Rebecca.
Didn’t her roommate suspect anything was wrong even after she hadn’t returned the next day? What time did JW get the text from the bar from her cell phone?
Come on folks…have you been to undergrad yet?! College students are typically known as couch surfers and lead somewhat transient lifestyles. I didn’t micro manage my roommates life nor did I find it surprising if they didn’t show up for a day or two. Now, what I would find odd is if they didn’t answer texts/calls, and medicine was not taken… comments are getting ridiculous at this point…
The question is the opposite of that. Who the heck calls parents and cops at 3PM when a student is missing? She could have been hanging dry on someone’s sofa, been out for a drug vacation, a romantic interlude, anything. I’ve known kids missing for a couple of days before anyone gets worried.
JW and HT called an alarm less than 12 hours since she was last seen.
Two things: 1).. what guy would let a young woman walk home at 4 AM when he knew she was drunk? Why didn’t he walk her home? I know it wasn’t that far, but still … you wouldn’t just let her walk away like that, if he was a decent guy. 2). I’m finding it hard to believe that a 20-year-old college student would be out drunk-walking for her cellphone and shoes. Not buying that. I don’t care what the reports say. If the reports are accurate, and she was totally wasted, she wouldn’t have left either Rossman or Rosenbaum’s apartments. If she did, then deductive logic says she could not have been that wasted. Does anyone really feel like walking when they have had a lot to drink? Now you may think you can walk, but it’s not that easy. Just saying.
In a Fox interview on 6/7, Hadar Tamar said:
“She is just a fun and smart girl who loves hanging out and partying, it just went too far this time.”
How do you know this Hadar?
Photo of quote: http://tinypic.com/r/97qhjb/7
Full story: http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/search-in-indiana-for-missing-student-from-westchester-20110607
I have a few observations:
1. From what I have read at several comment boards from people claiming to know him, Jay Rosenbaum is not the brightest kid and kind of a goof. Is he capable of disposing of a body on his own and having it still not be found 3 weeks later?
2. Lauren’s dad is a lawyer. I bet anything that her is thinking about a civil suit against some or all of these guys who gave her drugs and alcohol, especially Jay who was the last to see her. If I was him I would get an attorney even if I was innocent.
I believe Lauren’s dad is an accountant
Some individuals use the shroud of “clunky” or “clown-like” behavior to gain attention. Do not presume that in the midst of a sobering incident or panic that one can not respond accordingly. I would be interested to know of any aptitude or SAT scores; and what was the major for these students?
From what I read he is a very prominent tax attorney. I’m not sure if its true, but thats what one newspaper was reporting.
He is a tax accountant. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/westchester_co_ed_missing_4hYlrz0wsSIBoQhceYNm5H
wrong!!!! laurens father is NOT an attourney…he is an ACCOUNTANT..
According to WISH TV he is a prominent attorney
http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/local/south_central/search-for-spierer%3A-whos-who
Regardless of what he does for a living, my point is that the POIs have to be careful because there is a good chance they will be held liable civilly or criminally for providing alcohol and drugs to her. If I was in Mr. Speirer’s shoes, I would do the exact same thing. That is what is keeping many of them from cooperating I would imagine.
The problem with the theory that JR disposed of the body is that there is absolutely no proof. Also, his car was not available that night, is what is reported. Someone theorized that the phone call was to enlist DR’s help to get rid of the body since DR has a car. But DR did not pick up the call–direct evidence there. And DR lives in Smallwood and if his car was moved, it would be on camera–direct evidence again. Also, we can assume that JR’s phone records have been scrutinized and that was the only use of that phone during that critical time period. So how would JR have gotten rid of a body? The cadaver dogs came up empty in terms of any scent in that area, and if any body had been kept for a number of hours before a car could be gotten, a scent would have been left. Also I think it is highly likely at this point that if JR had borrowed a car or asked to borrow one, someone would have reported the request.
So if JR did do something and end up with Lauren left in his place, there is no indication that he had disposed of a body. THat’s why he is a suspect. There is no proof of anything other than he is a cad not to have walked LS home, and suspicion that he and LS were up to no good together at that time of the morning.
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TV reports? Please email me w details.
Looks like our facebook taxi driver and Channel 8 news are on the case.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=542469538&sk=wall
Oh man.
This Marcum guy is a K double O K, Kook! I mean how sick do you have to be to post stuff like this? I realize al lleads should be followed up on but he seems to be wasting time….lets all keep hoping/praying but lets also be rational
Tony – whats withe all the helicopters?
What helicopters? I am in Indy and all I see is an ad plane flying around downtown shilling for McD’s Dollar Menu
A blue & Yellow helicopter flying all over the east side – out 10th – they find something – been overhead at least 10 times – low
In Bloomington – blue & yellow – flying over again & again – over the college mall and going out of town on 10th
something is going on
State police helicopter – southwest side of bloomington
Searching the cabbie’s claim?
Keep updating FZ….nothing on local news at all.
2 things that have been questionable to me in this case:
1) If Lauren called David Rohn to see if he knew where her phone was wouldn’t she call her own phone also? Several friends (as well as myself) have lost our phones before and we always call them hoping whoever has it or finds it as it’s ringing will answer and tell us where we left it! Although I guess we don’t know if she did try to call her phone because that’s never been mentioned (that I know of).
2) How did she think she was going to get in to her apartment without her keys? My theory is that she dropped her keys on the way to 5 North as she was in danger and that was her way of leaving a trail…
A theory is that she called DR using JR’s phone to ask him to let her into the building. He did not answer; the explanation being that he was asleep at 4:15AM. LS decides to leave JR’s place anyways a few minutes later despite having no way to get into the building without her keys and no cell phone to call anyone. Just hopeful she would get in somehow.
The phone records have all had to have been requested and being pored over. I wonder if movements can be traced by the cellphones. If someone’s cell phone shows a trip around 4:30-5Am out of Bloomington, it could be significant.
DR is alibied in part by the fact that the Smallwood cameras do not show him leaving or returning during the critical period. The same with the roommate and other residents of that building.
I would think that IF LS actually called DR, as JR claimed, then it was probably-like g said-either to ask him to help her get in Smallwood or to come pick her up perhaps, not so much about her phone–that doesn’t really make sense to me since DR had not been with LS for several hours at that point I don’t know why she would call him about her phone, which she had probably realized long before was missing.
if i lost my keys and i needed to get into my place, i wouldn’t call my drug-dealer neighbor first. i’d call my roommate. and THEN if she didn’t answer and i got desperate, i’d call my neighbor. JR would have HT’s number in his phone, they’re “best friends”, right? being locked out probably wasn’t the reason that call was made.
I don’t understand why her roommate is always smiling and posing when interviewsed..Very strange to me
Some people are just that way. Love that attention regardless of the ghastly reason for it.
Hadar knows she ODed. She knows Jay dropped her beyond bloomington. Tweeter post timing and tense of message says it all. Becoming all too obvious.
And in front of god and everyone else.
I don’t think it points to anything. She seems to be the type that wouldn’t be able to keep any kind of secret and if she knew anything would be holding court with the info. I’ll bet that she told the police and the Spierers waaaay mor than they wanted to hear. I’ll bet they were glad when they were finished interviewing that one. heh, heh. That’s my take on her.
any updates on the helicopter in Bloomington?
Yep, saw the helicopters around 4pm and wondered the same thing -
Helicopters are quiet now – no clue – but whatever they were doing it was intense and not random
IMHO, if she OD’d, anyone who provided her with drugs in the recent past would be wise to have an attorney since causing a death while dealing certain drugs (including cocaine) could be charged with murder in Indiana. Unless the Marion Co. prosecutor and the defense attorney(s) come to some agreement about lessening charges in exchange for information, there is not likely to be much information forthcoming. By the way, this month’s issue has an article on attorney Jim Voyles.
I have wondered about the location of the keys too. I have not seen anything in the media that states whether she dropped her keys going to or from Smallwood.
Is there a camera that should have provided video corroboration of her reaching the corner while walking back towards Smallwood?
Are there cameras that would have shown if she had entered 10th and College Apts. (or 10th and College Village) ? I have wondered whether or not she might have gone there (to sleep or call someone) when she realized she did not have her keys.
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The police seem to be awfully dependent on those surveillance cameras. They have more pictures than most cases do. There is an implication from police statements that because the last picture of LS is on her way to CR’s apartment, that is all they can say for sure. It isn’t even 100% sure that she ever got to CR’s place and any testimony about seeing her at any other time and place (like the witness Tony posted) seems to be discounted because the camera did not pick it up.
So, no there is no video corroboration of her leaving JR’s place since there is none of her even getting to that complex, and certainly none that she reached any distance in her walk home if indeed she did go on such a trek.
(I asked about the camera in the alley earlier and my post wasn’t posted.) If the camera shows north to 11th, then it might show her walking eastward toward College like JR said. If it would have showed her but didn’t….then there is a problem with JRs last sighting of LS
For those interestest, here’s the link to the Bloomington Police Department’s live radio feed — http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=4369
ignore the poor spelling in that last post… thanks!
AGREE.
I’m a dolt. This was meant to AGREE to the post that, if I was calling at 4:15am … I’d be calling my roomie (“hey, can you let me in”). Because…even drunk…I don’t THINK you’d call at 4:15am, someone you HAVE to assume is asleep…even for THESE kids, and say “hey, seen my phone?”.
We made calls at all ours of the night and if someone didn’t answer left ridiculous messages and listened to them the next day together. Hmmm sounds as if there are conflicting messages regarding “why would she walk home by herself and not call anyone?” vs. “I don’t THINK you’d call at 4:15am, someone you HAVE to assume is asleep…even for THESE kids, and say “hey, seen my phone?”.
These comments are getting more subjective by the moment and less and less supportive. Awesome.
Is it possible that she had called her phone earlier and JW picked up? What time did the bartender call JW and when did he pick up the phone? So she calls her phone, JW picks up and is pissed off over her leaving with CR etc and demands to know where she is. She tells him. She leaves Jr’s apt and JW is waiting. Just a possibility. JR didn’t have to say she left his apartment when she did because leaving the apartment and the phone call to DR don’t are separate incidents. He could have any reason in the world to call DR at that hour. The only suspicious thing about it is that he is the only one up. JW remember is not a happy camper with his girlfriend leaving with CR. He was kicked to the curb. Was he seen on the cameras and police are keeping it close to the vest hoping he will crack? I can’t discount the jilted BF theory. Then again, I can’t imagine JR’s admission of being last to see her turn the corner. I think the 2 suspects are JR and JW. I still can’t understand why cadaver dogs are not involved in this search – in Jr’s apt, location of video sightings… in the cars of 10 POI’s? WTF they don’t have cadaver dogs? That will give you answer No 1 – is she dead or alive and whose car carried her out of town.
Lauren seems to be closer to a number of these people than her roommate. She also may have called DR because he was likely to be up at that time in the morning. From the snippets of what her roommate has said, this staying out till the wee hours or all night was not unusual for Lauren, and it is possible that her roommate had to let her in at some ungodly hour before and told her that she did not appreciate it. I certainly would have said something and would still say something if someone woke me up at 4:30-5am unless it was an emergency. So you call the person least likely to be annoyed at you when you are locked out. Also, I think there was some mention that DR has a car and there was hope of a ride back. She’d put a lot of mileage on those bare feet by then. JR did not have his car available is what I read somewhere, which is another problem with the theory that he took Lauren somewhere–he would have had to have borrowed a car
I believe she was looking for a ride. I’ve called people at all hours. The other thing is maybe she went wandering to look for her keys and phone. There is construction over there. There’s that possibility she fell into something too. How intoxicated was she really? If it was me I probably wouldn’t have thought twice and wandered back towards the way I came and searched around at her age. That’s why I keep wondering is that alley parallel to 11th? have cameras. Or how much can be seen?
The alley is parallel to College Avenue. They have a camera and that is where they have last survelliance of her at 2:51am walking north towards 11th St. apartment building.
Yes but there’s a small section where cars parked and a side building I saw it on map and video. There’s a construction thing there and a porta potty. It looked like they come up through the alley and then there’s that area which runs parallel to 11th.
Looks like all searches have been called off….any thoughts?
http://www.indystar.com/article/20110628/NEWS/106280362/Police-halt-general-searches-missing-IU-student-Lauren-Spierer-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|IndyStar.com
This is all so weird…any news on the choppers that were over Bloomington?
The searches essentially amount to finding a needle in a huge haystack. Since they’ve probably covered as much of Bloomington as they could, she could be anywhere in the state and they don’t have the resources to cover so much ground. Following up with investigative leads at this point seems like a much more efficient use of resources. I really hope they’ll be able to unravel this for her family’s sake.
“Missing you always” is something you’d say if you never expect them to come back. Hadar Tamir knows more than she’s telling. I’ve thought that since the time I saw her on TV giving an interview. Something weird about her demeanor.
I agree about HT. I am not saying she has to be hysterical but….if my best friend or room mate disappeared i know i would not be able to appear so composed. the people who are frantic are the ones who truly do not know where lauren is. maybe her demeanor is indicative of someone who knows the truth. why would she say that things went too far this time? if she did not know what happened, why would she be saying that? it does not make sense to me. maybe i am missing something
DA will convene a grand jury and subpoena all POIs to testify as to their knowledge under threat of perjury.
Hadar Tamir and David Rosenbaum – how can you live with yourselves?
Roslyn NY and West Bloomfield MI are similar in many ways…
Despicable.
Kinda hate to cite HT – sounds promising, though:
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“Bloomington police released the following statement this evening regarding the search for missing Indiana University student Lauren Spierer:
The search effort for Lauren Spierer and for any evidence related to her disappearance will transition to those that are based on investigative leads. This transition means that search efforts will be directed by specific information obtained through investigative leads rather than conducting general searches covering large areas.”
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Beautiful! – the water may start to boil. Hold on to your jewels, boys!
Did you know that’s the name of a song? Taufik Batisah Lyrics
” Missing You Always ” http://www.lyricstime.com/taufik-batisah-missing-you-always-lyrics.html
Here’s the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4PV_pnfuyc
Tony, watch the video! Your posters are correct. “Missing you always” is an odd post…unless perhaps.
Kids are always using snippets from songs and videos for which the entirety makes no sense. It seems to me that it is a long shot that HT is involved. She was in Smallwood where the cameras would catch any ins and outs. From what I can see of her personality and way she approaches thing, she is one of those “off the top of the head” type of people who could not keep a secret to save her life. She also seems to be flaky and unaware of what’s appropriate or not with some of the comments she has made.
I doubt she knows anything directly about LS’s disappearance. Doubt anyone would confide in her about anything. She didn’t even know about LS’s heart conditon and she lived with her.
If you do a surf of YouTube videos. “Missing You Always” seems to be a trend heading for videos in tribute to those gone i.e. Michael Jackson, Heath Ledger.
And dont forget Lauren was very into music-It could be a Freudian slip on Hadars part- meaning she knows something about what happened to Lauren- Anybody find out any more info some article or maybe it was a rumor that before her boyfriend made his facebook private – she had blocked him and they were having some sort of problems- anyone know anything about that.
@ A…I hate to site anyone as well. Innocent until proven guilty. It really is such a shame that so many lives are affected by this….so many unknowns. I wish I could hug Lauren’s Mom.
Hopefully – hopefully this case will be solved. Though the Spierer’s lives will never be the same. Would be happy to dish out a hug – be happier if things would finally come to an end.
http://www.wthr.com/story/14994158/spierer-disappearance-has-similarities-to-tenn-case
Maybe they’re related?
I doubt it very much and hope this does not distract from the focus on a group of students. Let’s not forget that; although Lauren was said to have been walking home, NO video footage confirms that alleged scenario.
I think the HB case is looking for more media attention, and understandably so. There are so many missing persons across our country.
There are a lot of possibilities at this point. Not trying to distract, rather just want to keep an open mind.
@Aaa =) I wasn’t accusing you of distracting; but rather was speaking to the headline. It is one of many.
Also the celebrity tie since Lauren is related to actress Tamara Braun correct? Can’t rule out anything. There could be a serial killer on the loose. That’s a lot of coincidences. If that is the case that individual stalked and followed her every move. Then seized an open opportunity. Wonder about any vans or trucks being parked in that area. Another reason why I was wondering about that side alley area where cars are parked. What is that? Shops? Apts? I couldn’t tell on screen shots.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=542469538&sk=wall
Alright what is the deal with this story…….
The dude is just crazy. If you read his posts, he admits that he’s talked to a detective. If he knows what happened to Lauren (he doesn’t), he surely would’ve mentioned where she was during that time. How can you sit and post on Facebook that you know where a missing person is, and sit around hoping someone will pay attention to you rather than GOING AND FINDING THE MISSING PERSON? He’s obviously not with it, and, in my opinion, should be ignored. That’s just me, though.
Wants his 15 mins of fame.
Here’s an idea I haven’t heard yet: it’s pretty far fetched..
Maybe some some type of activist group kidnapped a rich girl to prove a point-That Bloomington police and the media would care more about her. She’s easy target no shoes leaving twice that night from Smallwood.
Could’ve done some investigatIng and figured that she was involved with people who regularly do/sell cocaine. Or couldve just picked a random richkid from small wood. And the point is being made-by people who had a friend go missing & felt their friend was forgotten.
The girl who rode away on a bike ride and was killed and found 7 yrs later got weak press and a smaller search effort. Idk. But that’s my idea for tonight. Kind of like the Life of David Gale type of thing. Except a group like this might actually keep her alive… Unless an accident happened.
I’m with most of you that it sounds like an accidental OD and people getting scared especially the people who supplied it. But dealers don’t typically do Coke in their own houses especially after one of this crew’s aquaintences’ home/apt was raided by DEA just a few weeks prior for cocaine. (word around B-town)
anyone think this is a possibility?
I certainly hope I never need a taxi in Bloomington — this cabbie SCARES me!
So does not that video pretty much sum up what HT knows. So sad that there are so many obvious clues out there and they really can’t be acted on.
Thank you Tony for posting all that you do. It encourages talk which then may help lead to help.
Every day, we sit next to people who are about one brain cell from being institutionalized. We don’t even know it. We walk by child molesters in the street but there is no Scarlet Letter on their clothes. We work with people who might abuse their pets. Our children have teachers who are alcoholics. The man accepting our dry cleaning might be a felon. So..people who don’t meet the same “normal” social standards as the majority of us (i.e. – some…cab drivers, or “Youtube”rs perhaps)…should not really come as a surprise. And, while the authorities must sift through their “tips” and sort what is valid and what isn’t. The others of us should use our common sense and try not to be “taken in” by this behaviour, just because we crave an answer. Some just like to blather on, craving attention, and lying is their daily norm. Those around them, in their lives, they’re similar so it’s not a red flag to them. For the rest of us…let’s don’t give this person what they want – Their 15 minutes.
what are you talking about?
That’s a pretty interesting choice of shirt that Hadar wore while posing for her publicity stills.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20110614/NEWS02/106140348/Interviews-Spierer-s-friends-family-continue
In all fairness, I don’t think she woke up that day knowing she was going to have her photo taken. I was there when it was taken, by the way. More interested in why someone would pose for a shot like that. You can just as easily say I’ll do the interview, but I don’t think a photo is a good idea. And then I get shit for posting one photo of her partying (there is so much more). Terrible me.
Perhaps she didn’t, but did have no other shirt in her closet than one that said “Goodbye my love” in French on the day they are looking for her friend, whom she already believed to be od’d and out of Bloomington? I don’t think she does much that isn’t deliberate.
That certainly is an unfortunate choice of a shirt. Also unfortunate choice of words and song… she doesn;t seem to think first and loves that attention.
Tony, I don’t blame you a bit for posting her stuff that she has out there for the world to see. She seems to be enjoying herself too much in this horrible situation.
Bonjour actually means “hello” in french.
“Bonjour” also means “goodbye.” It’s “good day,” literally.
You can get a good look at at him and make sure you don’t get into his cab in Bloomington. Here in NYC, you don’t have that luxury. Plenty of crazy cabbies, and even crazier people on the streets and in the subways. You can’t avoid them.
the shirt reads “Hello my love” not goodbye. duh
You’re right. I’m sorry. That was dumb. Moving on…
A lot of people commenting here sound like classic conspiracy theorists. Every insignificant piece of information bolsters their crazy ideas. Funny reading, though.
I wish there was a like button!
It’s especially funny to see people speculating on why Tamir wore a shirt that they thought said “Goodbye, my love.” Pay no attention to the crazy people with poor knowledge of simple foreign words!
Yes, especially when they acknowledge their mistake and move on.
Doesn’t change the fact that Lauren had horrible friends that won’t talk, though. All her parents are really asking for at this point is a body to bury, and giving these wonderful friends every opportunity to direct them anonymously.
Tamir is an attention whore. Why would she pose for photos for such an occasion?
I’ve been thinking the same thing all along about the photo pose and choice of shirt. Thought that the first day I saw it when that article was published. It was definitely in poor taste. It’s easy to forget that these are kids.
This was just posted on the LS Facebook page:
FRIDAY JULY 1 11:00 AM PRESS CONFERENCE AT BPD ON LAUREN SPIERER. CHARLENE AND ROBERT WILL BE MAKING A STATEMENT
Probably going home…
Do we know if anything of significance will be annouced at the Friday press conference???
I’m sure folks on in this comment section will figure out what the press conference will be about by analyzing Lauren’s friends’ clothing choices and the lyrics to songs they mention.
that they have NOT given up on their daughter and will continue to investigate, but after almost 30 days, time to go back home. No need to over-analyze anything anymore. If Rosenbaum, Rossman, Rohn, or one of roommates breaks down, we’ll hear about it.
Andrew,
Dude, you’ve got it all figured. So tell everyone what happened??
I have been out of college for over 20 years yet, I have been obessed with this story. My heart breaks for this young beautiful girl, and I just can’t help but believe this was preventable situation. When I was in college, Binge drinking was an issue. I myself was guility of it. I awoke more mornings than I am proud to state, not even knowing how I got home or who was with me for that matter. The difference here is, my friends NEVER left me alone. And thank God for that because who knows what would have happened.
has anyone ever thought about searching near where the boyfriend lives or near the P.O.I.’s hometown? Who’s to say they didn’t drive home with her body in their car and dumped her somewhere back in their hometown. I had heard of something like this in another case. The guy was actually stopped for a traffic violation right after he killed his girlfriend. Nobody knew he had a dead body in the trunk until it was discovered a few hours later in a park. I pray for Lauren & the family god bless.
Just a thought and I am sure the police have checked it but what if she stayed on 11th Street and crossed College to walk to the boyfriend’s house but never made it there. Maybe JR did see her leave and head towards College but never really saw her turn the corner and she went straight?
I only had this thought now that I know where the boyfriend was living. Not sure if some areas of that neighborhood just west of campus is still as sketchy in places as it was when I lived in the area in the late 80s.
10 hours aint that far just saying.
Hypothetically if they were all connected. The funny thing about those 3 cases is they all deal with celebrities. Perhaps from Morgans case someone liked the attention. Would also mean you have a very savvy smart individual on your hands. I hope not though. I hope investigators check those routes for similar disappearances over the past few years. That’s creepy as hell.
I have no way of knowing this is true or not….I heard on another site from people who live in the area, that an hour ago there were investigators and search dogs at the apartments belonging to jesse, jay and corey. again…not trying to spread bad info. i am hopeful for some news
I know they did search today.
I should have waited on my last post. I want to read more on that guy.
I guess you don’t know if anything was found. I am hopeful this means they are getting good information. Lauren and her family deserve so much better than this.
Wow that’s hmmm weird http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/06/10/ul_Bruce_foster.jpg
http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/06/08/news.545282.sto
http://www.michellesigona.com/2011/06/forget-me-not-morgan-harrington-unsolved-murder/
look at nose similar. Same height hello?
Ignore my last post of speculation wish there was a delete button. lol Should have read his story (being in jail. etc.) before that. My bad but he could fit that sketch that’s for sure (not because he’s black more so because he could have shaved his beard,height facial feature lips and age is a bit off but he appears younger that almost 50. 6 years ago he might have looked 35 age who knows. ) It seems like he resided in the close by areas for some time. Dates when it happened. Doubt.
Nope. I know nothing. I’m just reading all the thrown out info. I read about search today from twitter stating was the last one like it today. I have a little extra time today
. Was really curious about possible serial killer. Want to really see it from a different angle. Unless they really have anything on the kids my thinking sways towards random. I don’t want to accuse anyone who might not have anything to do with it. I know circumstances can make people look extremely guilty when they are not. Gonna stew with it for awhile. Want to wait and see what the family says.
I understand. I think alot of people would like to see this from a different angle because it is difficult to think that any of these students could be involved in such a hideous mess. But with people like jay who only “speaks” through his attorney it is hard to imagine anything else is possible. the silence is deafening. you would think that if he had nothing to hide he would be shouting it from the rooftops. only time will tell.
It’s possible anyone could be involved.It’s that I already thought through it from each of them and just thinking about other probabilities. There are other cases similar. That stuff can’t be over looked.